>>6954 I remember playing SMT:SJ right after discovering monster girls and playing MGQ Paradox. It was... an experience to say the least, even the Chaos/Law ideological conflicts were almost a 1:1 match between the two.

I wish she eventually gets a look more like SMTV's Lucifer. Btw, can anyone translate the japanese text in these pics, please?

>>6957 Haven't finished IV yet, but this game's "ideological conflict" seems just like trashy anarchist apologetics and a strawman of religion. I also don't get why the "angels" in IV look just as scary and demonic as normal demons (they're not even "biblically accurate", so its double pointless). As if the designers forgot what's the point of character design, but only for demons. Humans designs are used well, but demons range from cute mascots and chicks to lovecraft, with seemingly no logic as to which are used where. First MGQ at least knows who's supposed to be the villain, so those angels make sense to look scary. Haven't played paradox yet tho, only the 3 parts of the visual novel.

>>6972 I was specifically talking about Paradox where there's the ideological divide between angel world and monster world on how to handle the inter-dimensional apocalypse >trashy anarchist apologetics Paradox definitely has those, oh yes.

>>6972 demons range from cute mascots and chicks to lovecraft, with seemingly no logic as to which are used where. That's how the japanese roll, baby.

>>6972 Angels being scary and bad makes no sense, unless they aren't angels. Isn't it funny how angels are mechanically identical to demons?

>>7047 Ever heard of "biblically accurate angels"? (And, yest it's mostly a meme but there is some truth in it). As for angels, the whole "evil angels are demons" thing is relatively new: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee3HQ_luNqE

>>7067 >"As for angels, the whole "evil angels are demons" thing is relatively new" >video itself says its an idea from around the new testament >and its mostly about semantics and use of the word "daimon" Yours "relatively new" is still something written before any of our great-great-grandfathers been born. Nah man, its pretty old by all relevant standards. >>7047 >Angels being scary and bad makes no sense, unless they aren't angels. Isn't it funny how angels are mechanically identical to demons? I kinda see what you're getting at, but in SMT you also have random stuff as "demons" like the garrote or whatnot. For me its clearly a case of "gameplay and cool varied creatures to summon is a first, any story around them is second". From what I saw some games kinda painted it like all those are just creatures of various power levels, and Yahwe for example was just the most powerful of them so he was able to take control... but its still weak plot wise, mostly trying to justify why so many "gods of the sun" or "gods of all creation" or alike can exist parallel to each other. Also watched the final boss with YHVH in IV Final and... man, that was some basic bitch "God bad" stuff if I ever saw any. Somehow still better than reddit atheist type of arguments, but pretty low nonetheless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFuKLmruIzQ I guess you can say its mostly based on old testament... but it's still a one dimensional interpretation. pics unrelated

>>7067 yeah I'm familiar >>7090 IVA is more Gnostic than anything, I think the point of the ending were that people were arguing YHVH couldn't be God because it was evil, implying that out there, somewhere, there's a greater, true God.

>>7090 Here's the definition of relatively: https://www.google.com/search?q=relatively+meaning&oq=relitevly+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCQgBEAAYDRiABDIGCAAQRRg5MgkIARAAGA0YgAQyCQgCEAAYDRiABDIJCAMQABgNGIAEMgkIBBAAGA0YgAQyCQgFEAAYDRiABDIJCAYQLhgNGIAEMgkIBxAAGA0YgAQyCQgIEAAYDRiABDIJCAkQABgNGIAE0gEINTEwMGowajeoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Here's a list of the abrahamic religions and when they were founded: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions I believe 2000 years ago is relatively new when compared to 22000 years ago.

>>7094 >IVA is more Gnostic than anything, I think the point of the ending were that people were arguing YHVH couldn't be God because it was evil, implying that out there, somewhere, there's a greater, true God. yeah, lots of jap games are basically gnosticism, but from watching that ending I didn't really feel like it did well. I don't know everything about IV Final, was it confirmed anywhere that YHVH is the actual creator of the entire world? Or that there's some other chief deity behind it all? As for better gnosticism, I remember liking P5 final boss, its also literally named yaldabaoth, so that helps too. I don't even like P5, just that aspect was pretty solid. Xenogears also did gnosticism perfectly I think. Thanks to not using any actual religions, and at most just naming things after them it could work better. Whereas SMT uses the names and designs explicitly. They're not monsters or whatnot that just happened to share the name YHVH or Shiva or whatnot, they ARE supposed to be them. And that causes unnecessary problems imo. >>7098 >uses google do better m8. At least use the duck, or yandex. >I believe 2000 years ago is relatively new when compared to 22000 years ago. It changes nothing in the discussion, we're still talking about ideas that are thousands of years old, which have been a cultural norm for long enough to see the rise and fall of many empires. Its old, very old. Just because there's something older doesn't change that, and calling it "relatively new" in this context adds nothing. >>7095 nice pixie, I like this design

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEfquTuAZIo found some weird interesting stuff related to the whole gnosticism/christianity thing. Kinda schizo af in a lot of places, but still interesting.