>>1762 i'm sorry but what do any of these books have to do with running a board?

>>1761 >>1762 Whoa that's a most unexpected development, given that this board doesn't require much work when it comes to moderating (same as the other boards on our site) >If there's no decent takers and the inactive vol doesn't suddenly show up and promise he'll stick around, I'll probably hand the place off to the Capybarachan admin. Quick note from me as site owner: if nobody steps up now and I'm given the ownership, I will in turn hand it off to the first /kemono/ related person that volunteers with no added conditions, aside from standard willingness to take responsibility and put some effort. I don't want to take over a community and that wasn't my intention when I offered /kemono/ a bunker board.

>>1764 If you're going to run a board in these troubled times, having some idea of what kingship is (beyond the usual pop culture conceptions) and how citystates were established won't hurt. In that light, you can probably guess why The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable and Antifragile: Things That Gain From Disorder are included (I should have given their full titles, kek). Less obvious from its title is Christian and Oriental Philosophy of Art. That one is a collection of essays on pre-modern anon art traditions and their broader, more cohesive conception of what art and the artist are. There's a weird amount of stuff in it that feels familiar if you've shitposted on imageboards for long enough, and if you've ever noticed that weird tension imageboards have between drawfags who sit in drawthreads all day and regular anons, this'll give some pointers on why that is and how to heal it moving forwards. Finally, the Rene Girard book is mostly relevant to the subject of board bogeymen from a broader anthropological and mythological perspective, while the essay On Gargoyles and the two-parter on St. Christopher are more relevant to /kemono/ specifically. I would have liked to have included something on guilds, as my gut tells me they could have helped very specific kinds of generals like /agdg/, but I sadly haven't done enough research on them to recommend a specific book on the subject. Is all of this necesssary reading? No, obviously. It's mostly just there for pointers on how imageboard culture could adapt to and survive the ridiculous amounts of shit it's gone through lately. We need to think a bit outside the contemporary box if we're gonna make it, and as the postmodern west and web devour themselves, we may find that some old ideas suddenly have a place again. >>1765 Yeah, it isn't that running /kemono/ is too much work, or that I'm not prepared for the task or have a lack of confidence (if the spergetry above is any indication, I may have too much). It really is a matter of knowing deep down that I'm not the one who should be running /kemono/, and that the best thing I could do for it as a board owner is entrusting it to the right man.

>>1766 >It really is a matter of knowing deep down that I'm not the one who should be running /kemono/, and that the best thing I could do for it as a board owner is entrusting it to the right man. You've been a really solid BO for as long as this place has been here. What made you change your mind so suddenly?

>>1765 I'll volunteer to take it over. As a proof of trust and token of appreciation the last bo can be vol if he wants anytime, if he changes his mind sometime that's fine too. Send me an email at [email protected]

>>1785 What are your qualifications?

>>1786 I love kemono art and the policy of the board. I come here almost every day so might as well. without you turning this into a job application I’ve grown communities before with my moderation principles and activity. And try to keep a few going still albeit unrelated to this fandom, which is very dear to my heart. Beyond that the free offer of my spare time is enough and my terms are more than fair. Now the ball is in your court.

>>1790 I'm not Mannuwar, I just wanted to know what your qualifications were since I'd never heard of cyberfear.com before.

>>1785 >>1790 Ay, sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I was extremely busy with IRL stuff over the last few weeks and ended up putting it off for way too long, but things have finally slowed down enough to devote some real attention to this. So, for starters, would you mind going into your moderation principles a bit? I'd ask about your (implied) past janny experience as well, but if you'd prefer going over that via email, that's fine by me.

Happy New Year, /kemono/!

>>1905 happy 2025! i never had a racist uncle at the holiday family dinner meetups, but it turns out that im actually the racist uncle at the dinner table new year, same old me i guess

would you guys be interested in a /kemono/ project zomboid server? i hosted one before for /fur/, so i (kind of) know how to do it already. ill probably also post it on /fur/ just so its not completely dead (and thats where the first server began). i really just need to set up a list of mods, and decide on some config settings (which i might do a poll for). gonna try to add a few more models to my mod too

>>1920 Getting involved with retards from /fur/ is the last thing this place needs.

>>1921 eeeeh true, but i feel kinda bad for leaving them out considering thats where i first posted the server. during its stay the only people that joined were artists and there was no (meta) drama. i also was wondering if i should make the server public/visible in the browser. on the downside normies and (god forbid) soyteens could join, but on the upside the server wont be dead 99% of the time

I have no desire to play or knowledge of what Project Zomboid is, so I have no opinion. Do what you want and what you are willing to invest your time into running.

>>1923 It's a very big and complex open world sandbox game where you live in a world full of zombies, there's no specific goal or end (other than death). One of those indie magnus opum projects that has been in development for over a decade and has tons of mods.

>>1923 It's like dayz or rust except it has real survival mechanics.

JANNIES JANNIES JANNIES should i make a thread for the possible development of a /kemono/ zomboid server? i dont want to be an ass and add an unwanted thread. it would just make it easier for people to post mod suggestions and shiet

>>1932 Something like that should go in its own thread.

>>1932 Personally I'd prefer it it stayed in the /kemonodev/ thread, but I'm not very picky on that. /kemono/ doesn't have to be a collection of generals, after all.

>>1935 >>1937 well, the HNIC has spoken, so in /kemonodev/ it will be >/kemono/ doesn't have to be a collection of generals, after all. well it essentially was gonna be /kpzdg/

Having seen what AI image generation did to the kemono thread on /animu/ (and the internet at large) should it be discouraged/prohibited here? Slop is cancer for the soul.

>>2016 What would be the point even? Just hide the AI thread and you will not see them anymore.

>>2016 not really a fan of ai slop (although i sometimes may use it as a reference image), but i dont really care if we have a general as long as its kept in its thread, just ignore it like >>2017 said

>>2016 There won't be any non-AI content from now on. You're asking for the board to die.

>>2016 My position is more or less the same as >>2018 . It helps that the resident AIfag generates some of the best stuff I've seen (which admittedly is not a very high bar) and knows enough about posing and attire that he'd likely make a good drawfag if he ever went down that route.

altchan chads stay winning

>>2048 anon... I... this site also uses cloudflare, like many other altchans

>a chinese furry artist is drawing fanart of a game from the webring This is a very weird feeling.

>>2049 >this site also uses cloudflare holy cringe also whatever 4chans setup had was preventing me from completing captchas, while i had no problem posting here. also nobody could post for several hours a day or so later, which i found kinda funny. i dont know what happened on their end, but i dont think 4chan should use a service that actively discriminates against websites that host content that they dont like. which to be fair, 4chan has a lot of content that even i dont like >>2050 fortnite?

>>2051 >. also nobody could post for several hours a day or so later, which i found kinda funny. i dont know what happened on their end, but i dont think 4chan should use a service that actively discriminates against websites that host content that they dont like. which to be fair, 4chan has a lot of content that even i dont like Unfortunately gookm00t doesn't give a shit about 4chan to do anything about it. As long as money from the site keeps going into his pockets it's whatever. Also nice to see you on here.

>>2052 yeah, i dont know too much meta info about modern 4chan other than some jap con artist owns it now, and that they keep making shitty updates to "fight bots". im too impatient to wait 900 seconds to reply to a shitpost, but a script is not impatient i just think 4chan is in a precarious situation to rely on cloudflare. kiwifarms got shitcanned by them, so i dont know why 4chan would be safe. my schizo theory is that theres an agreement between 4chan, cloudflare, and the feds to keep the site up as a honeypot in exchange for money and info respectively. then again the more reasonable explanation is that kiwifarms pisses off trannies (highly overrepresented in tech) and they complained to cuckflare, even though afaik cloudflare let monkey torture sites operate at the same time anyways, as much as i hate 4chan, i still want a place to shitpost. im glad this place exists though. im technically a furry, but every furry altchan board i have been on is filled extremely degenerate (sometimes literal) shit, and sometimes that one obese schizophrenic guy who blogposted about having furry tulpas. you people (except a certain dogfucker) have been tame in comparison. that and kemono is generally more aesthetically pleasing than most furry art >>2052 >Also nice to see you on here. you from /i/?

>>2053 4chan is the kind of place that can't really be replaced by anything else, but also like 5-10% of it's entire content is shit that makes you wish you could delete people from the internet and just makes you feel worse.

>>2053 >kiwifarms got shitcanned by them, so i dont know why 4chan would be safe kiwifarms got shitcanned for messing with the wrong troon IIRC, unlike them 4jannies would instantly bend the knee and ban any further attempts if xir complained. It's generally how modern internet operates, you either keep your head low and don't push your luck, or you burn up in the talmudic inferno when (((they))) decide to engage SHUT IT DOWN mode. also the site admin gave an explanation for why this altchan uses cuckflare >>>/mg/14514 this might give you some insight.

>>2051 >fortnite? Pears o' Peteia.

>>2053 >you from /i/? Nope just occasional lurker who caught sight of the femcel drawings on here. I'm probably that anon from the zomboid server

>>2053 > i dont know why 4chan would be safe > agreement between 4chan, cloudflare, and the feds to keep the site up as a honeypot in exchange for money and info respectively To my undestanding, that's literally what happened to /b/ and by extension the rest of the site back in the 00s when moot was still in charge of it. The FBI gave him very strict orders to leave /b/ unmoderated so they could fill it with CP to "catch pedos" and have control over a wild west discussion board that depended on the goodwill of feds not to be shut down. >then again the more reasonable explanation is that kiwifarms pisses off trannies (highly overrepresented in tech) and they complained to cuckflare This also happened, yes. You can say anything on the modern internet as long as you don't touch the sacred cows of the modern civic religion (gays, trannies, niggers, etc.). I don't know if you're just having a laugh, but most major cultural forces that have happened in the last 20-25 years as the internet have grown were the direct or indirect result of alphabet agencies establishing vectors into budding communities. It happened on SomethingAfwul, on 4chan, on 8chan, on Facebook, on Twitter.

>4chan got hacked and is down you guys think it might be the end of the site, or is that just people being overdramatic? some people say it happens a lot, but ive only used that site for a few years if this is the end of an era, then damn. i have mixed feelings. on the one hand, its pretty funny the soyfags got revenge for /qa/ (to my knowledge), and the jannies are getting doxxed. every single update 4chan had only made the site worse, and they probably should have updated their back end code instead. ill miss /i/ though, since i posted there and there were schizo artists drawing furshit there too. /c/'s kemono threads were cool too. the rest of the site i dont really care about. between /ic/ crabbing and drawing porn of literally everything (including my oc), /b/ becoming just a porn dump, /k/ becoming reddit 2.0, and /bant/ being a fishtank-girl stalking, /biz/ refugee housing, pedophile board (okay maybe /bant/ was always that last one, idk), the sites kinda shit. maybe there were some boards that were good, but i didn't do much exploring my guess is that 4chan is going to be down for weeks or months as the devs go in and update everything so they dont get hacked again

>>2179 It does go down a lot, but being hacked this badly is rare. I doubt it will stay down for long because of a reason like this, even if hiroshima decides he doesn't want to run it anymore, someone else is going to buy it. 4chan users being forced to venture out to other imageboards is a very good thing. I only wish I had finished my own imageboard, what a missed opportunity to get new users to visit.

>>2180 >4chan users being forced to venture out to other imageboards is a very good thing. a good point i forgot to bring up. ive tried a few alt chans but they were usually dead (or filled with complete degenerate schizos). maybe i should go surfing the web once more now that the anon diaspora has taken to the web >>2180 >I only wish I had finished my own imageboard, what a missed opportunity to get new users to visit. the feels, you could try working on it in case 4cuck is down for a while. i managed to make a half-finished imageboard once with shitty php, but it was never intended to be more than a pet project. i imagine even with the open source imageboard codebases that moderation and cybersec would be a nightmare

>check 8chan /fur/ to see if that's where everyone went or something >see the layout I got AIDS before I could even close the tab, what the fuck did I expect

>>2225 jeeze you werent kidding. im changing that ccs theme

>hear about anthro.foo while trawling nitter for something I don't remember >check it >basically /b/ with straight furshit and no smut >somehow better than /trash/ which isn't a huge accomplishment >still too many soyjacks Might be worth keeping an eye on even if it's kind of ass.

>>2336 >tons of activity >mostly straight nice, I can live with soyjacks >SFW only, not even spoilered lewds >fags already arguing for even more strict SFW rule whyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>2341 Why does every single imageboard and every single furry website/community/board/corner ever conceived have to devolve into nothing but a porn dump? Just go to literally any of the other ones.

>>2342 The compromise we have on this board is perfect and we didn't devolve into a "porn dump", anyone who doesn't want to see porn doesn't have to. Going beyond that just reeks of mental illness or porn addiction obsession.

>>2336 thanks for sharing, it looks pretty cool. dont worry, i will stick around here too (for better or for worse) >>2341 >high activity >non-gay >(hopefully not too many but still some) soyjaks >sfw lol this seems like the perfect place for me. then again ive been called prudish by other "anthro enthusiasts" before >>2342 this >>2343 while i prefer sites to be non-gooner, i agree that this site does a pretty good job of striking a balance

>>2343 I think that it might be this way because of the slow pacing of this board (which isn't a bad thing in my opinion), and most of the anons that do stay around here aren't that interest in porn anyways. This was one of the reasons that made me stay here until now, if something is NSFW mark it as such and that's it, simple as that. >>2342 I agree, sites like e621 and alikes have a bigger focus on the media itself, while leaving less space for "discussion" (a.k.a. gooner comments about how the portraited character is a pro at taking cawks or anything like that). Threads may not be the best format to post dozens of images back-to-back anyways, idk. Saw the anthro.foo board today, the OC thread there is very active, maybe I will post there too, I saw femcel there.

>>2342 Bad money chases out good. Porn is the lowest common denominator way to make people "care" about stuff, and after a certain point the people who are totally in the grip of either pornography or chasing (you)s don't care about doing anything else. Entropy comes for us all eventually, but communities whose primary unifying pillar is the enjoyment of hot animal women leave themselves uniquely vulnerable. I poked my head into the /animu/ kemono thread yesterday and discovered it had become mostly fallow, with the latest version being the 700-post behemoth from spring of last year. But that yaoi/futa faggot is still posting there and trying to shill his own image board that he made for posting more yaoi and futa and ESL commentary on tiktok videos of VR avatars doing shitty dances. Unless you take a hardline stance against things that go against the desired vibe, you will eventually be overrun by "people" who simply want to watch or make things rot. There is no reasoning with them, and if people can't see that (either because they're libertarians or enemy actors) then you can't change their minds either. As >>2348 has mentioned, this board has struck a middle ground between quiet, old school internet vibes and modern kemono stuff without being dragged down into the muck. My thanks to the current BO for doing such a good job carrying on my intentions. I don't know if he still actively monitors threads here, but if he does: you're doing a good job, and you are a good fit for this board. God loves you.

>>2378 There was a furry thread on trashcan /y2k/ that I've seen and there is something that kept returning to my thoughts: A anon said: __ "The general culture is also much more pornified, without any pretense of modesty or chastity. You could see the beginnings of this in the 1990s and early 2000s but it was still small and the mainstream culture still attempted to hold down modesty (...). Now dominant tastemakers actively shame any questioning of open sexuality. Everything is lewder. This extends to characters of all kinds of well. Lewd character fanart of all stripes is produced, shared openly, celebrated, and very accessible. Where once porn with characters was subversive, it's downright routine today. Now add to this the reification of furries. (...). In the 1990s and early 2000s, anthro characters were still regarded by the mainstream neutrally - they could be used as cute mascots, or animated characters, or some other use that took advantage of their animal-like features. If anything, they were partially reified as being "for kids" because of their strong associations with Disney and cartoons. But you could draw a cute anthro character and have it be just that: An anthro character, or a "funny animal" as they used to be called. Thanks to two decades of semi-open furry fandom, greater Web/Internet access, all combined with a general loss of innocence mentioned above, anthro characters have reified among post-GenX people to denote "a furry" with all the connotations of the furry fandom's porniness. It's in the culture, the signposts are there, furries aren't a secret. If you draw an anthro character now, it's called a "furry" and the relationship between it and furry fandom has calcified. Anyone learning to draw anthro characters won't be learning from Warner Brothers cels, Disney stills, or mascots - they'll be learning directly from the furry fandom's considerable body of work. That in turn will influence their developing style, baking less innocent elements into their final works. (...) What I think this all means is that those who might otherwise draw the kind of "innocent" anthro that anon remembers... won't. Draw an innocent furry character and everyone'll assume you fap to fuckin' foxes anyway, and if you produce a good enough character design eventually someone else will draw them with their bits out. Put the general loss of innocence together with the reification of furries, and you have the present situation. Everything is pornier now, and furries are especially pornier because they filter out those who might kick back and try to re-innocentise them." __ Besides this board being aimed towards kemono specifically, this also applies. Although you can argue that Christianity is the 3rd bigger religion in Japan, the japanese can be generally described as being superstitious more than actually religious. The general idea of modesty (or lack thereof in the modern world) leads to the re-signification of eroticism into vulgarity, leaving the exaltation of the body in a transcendent way behind in favor of pornography. That being said, I can't be a moralist and label all characters with somewhat "big" proportions as being literal porn, but what most (at least normie) anime and manga produce are media, as the quote says, more sexualized (I mean characters created on the sole purpose of being hot). This is a complex matter because it's possible to produce this in such a way that recalls the original meaning of eroticism, in a dignified way so to speak, someone commented on Ogure Ito's work as a example of that idea. Anyways, sorry for the wall of text but I hope that you could get my idea, staying late at night leads to this types of thoughts. I'm the anon from the art thread (the one from the siamese cat oc!). I've been reconsiderating lots of things regarding my drawings and general lifestyle due to a past porn addiction, I was never religious but recently I started to study, trying to understand better Christianity and myself. Maybe I will make a small hiatus and reconsider my art and what I want it to really be, maybe having this thinking in the week of Corpus Christi is a sign... Have this picture that I saw while reading on Saint Christopher: