I wanna eat bunnybutt.

>>1367 True, but it's not as though the board's administration could help you with that even if bunnygirls were real.

>>1368 USELESS JANNY What's the point of your board, then?

>>1369 pic related Making them real is a bit outside the board's territory and probably not the best thing to force. /monster/'s attempts didn't exactly work out for them either, as they blindly threw themselves at any spirit they found, went schizo, and didn't achieve much besides bumbling their way into contacting Tamamo no Mae shortly before her sealing stone burst open (probably one of the worst, if not the worst kitsune you could free).

>>1370 This is why monster are such... simps? cucks? losers? virgins? Yeah, virgin-brains, I guess. If I helped grandma Daji escape being stuck in a washing machine, you can bet I'd at least try to bargain to get hooked up with one of her grandchildren if not make a few myself.

>>1370 This is a FAG board?

>>1487 With how the niche imageboards have shrunk globally, it saddens me that someone would dedicate so much effort into being a pest instead of helping maintain a place that fits his tastes better. Reminds me of this one psychopath among the monster girl fandom who tries to pull every group he can get into with his personal vendetta against MGE and its author, lmao.

>>1490 You know what dude? Maybe you suck. Maybe the smug faggots who go around dmcaing the internet are actually the bad guys. Maybe you're one of them.

>>1513 Don't know what that one's about, but the one throwing around DMCA is probably the bad guy. I must have really lucked out going MGQ-only back in the day. >>1490 I don't think there is such a place currently. Just about every western kemono community seems to have shut down and reintegrated with the rest of furfags. There are currently cuckchan c/cm threads, wildcritters' corpse, and this site+plw thread (same people).

>>1518 >There are currently cuckchan c/cm threads I scrolled through the /c/ thread and it would be the best candidate for our friends/allies. Someone even asked for a place like this in their previous thread.

>>1518 There was an organized cabal of NTRfags and blacked fetishists who tried to force their terrible fetishes on everyone else and harassed KC personally for some reason, and after pissing him off one too many times he responded by DMCAing their OC and fetishes wherever he could find them. They did not take this well (apparently cucks don't like having their women taken from them after all), and coped by posing as democracy-loving free speech warriors with multi-page declarations of war, and begging everyone they'd pissed off to help them. This failed because no one who wasn't a janny liked them, not even the futafags and such who got caught in the DMCA crossfire, and the cuckolds were forced to retreat to their private discord servers where they seethe in isolation. The entire thing is retarded and every party involved sucks in some way. Gas cuckolds and BBCfags.

>>1522 Sounds pretty retarded, no matter how you slice it. How do you get harassed by some random weirdos on the other side of the planet when you are a creator of niche but genre-defining IP, and they are a bunch of nobodies? Did they send cuck porn to his house or something? Getting DMCAed off the internet is entirely a skill issue, though. Cuckchan has an IPFS of every commercial MG game under the sun, and taking those down is what DMCA was made to do before getting repurposed to protect kikes from butthurt.

>>1522 This doesn't account for the mge superfans who scour the internet for stuff to report and take a great pleasure in "taking out the trash." > DMCA crossfire They were not caught. It was intentional. These people clearly had a large effect on driving people to discords.

>>1524 KC was passionate enough about his setting that he used to contact western NTRfags and pleaded with them to love their waifus instead of degrading them. I don't recall exactly what finally set him off, but getting into contact with a sperg like that and intentionally pissing him off is about the dumbest thing you could do when you already have multiple janny teams in your pocket. >Getting DMCAed off the internet is entirely a skill issue, though. Cuckchan has an IPFS of every commercial MG game under the sun, and taking those down is what DMCA was made to do before getting repurposed to protect kikes from butthurt. Oh, they probably do have archives of this sort. But that's of little comfort to a bunch of discord cuckolds obsessed with forcing non-cucks to see MGE cuckshit and blacked edits everywhere. Misery enjoys company, that kind of thing. >>1525 >They were not caught. It was intentional. No shit, retard. Futa doesn't "accidentally" get DMCA'd: that was just the incident that pushed KC over the edge against stuff he (and a lot of his fans) vocally disliked.

>>1540 >You also risk replicating the /animu/ stream problem where the chats are filled with namefags who refuse to touch the board and look down on the anon peasants who do. This problem is as old as imageboards themselves, I remember attentionwhore circlejerks forming on administrative IRCs of my local national chans well over a decade ago. I think the only way is ruthless enforcement of anonymity (aside from OC creators and such) and rejection of any non-anonymous spaces by both anons and jannies. You give anons any leeway and they will jump at the first opportunity to elevate themselves above the anonymous masses, it's just a universal human thing.

>>1542 >I remember attentionwhore circlejerks forming on administrative IRCs of my local national chans well over a decade ago Sometimes I've thought about making a simple text chat protocol with no usernames outside janny announcements for more or less this purpose, but given my total lack of network programming experience it'd probably be a clusterfuck with reference clients and servers that get assraped within five minutes. >I think the only way is ruthless enforcement of anonymity (aside from OC creators and such) and rejection of any non-anonymous spaces by both anons and jannies. Most of the nuance in the situation does come from artists. I do think imageboard art would do a lot better if it took more cues from medieval and folk art than post-renaissance western art culture (which grows ever more focused on the artist's identity), but at the same time anons sometimes make retarded demands of artfags, such as saying they can't have any other web presence, can't advertise elsewhere, and can't take payments besides cryptocurrency. Imageboards should be places artists enjoy working on and talking with, not prisons.

>>1543 > saying they can't have any other web presence, can't advertise elsewhere, and can't take payments besides cryptocurrency. I've never seen this happen.

>>1544 You know what? I don't quite remember where I saw it happen either. Closest I can think of on the spot is autistic demands thrown at gamedev anons.

>>1545 Having thought about it I actually do recall a few cases where anons have gone nasty because the artist drew stuff they didn't like.

>>1544 I don't know if the specific claims you're quoting happened in this example (it's been a while), but the devs behind Perepeteia made the mistake of posting on napchan a year or two ago, and there was one extremely autistic guy who took offense at the devs committing such crime as: >Organizing on Discord >Typing a handful of cuckchan memes on Discord (like, maybe a dozen instances over more than a year) I think he also got mad about the devs shilling themselves elsewhere, which is proof positive of how detached he was. Any independent artist needs maximum exposure and maximum coverage - but not OUR devs, no! The whole thing was derailed into a huge firestorm across at least two threads over like a week, and the Perepeteia devs understandably decided they wouldn't be interacting with napchan in the future. This is, sadly, why all the cool indie devs who are actually making good things are active on Twitter and YouTube, or simply post everywhere. The users on altchans are way more autistic, which is nice if you want to talk about something specific but doesn't guarantee they'll be any more in touch with reality than any normalfag.

>>1557 What you described isn't an issue with artist treatment, it's a general issue with altchans nowadays: a small extremely vocal group of terminally online autists base their entire existence around enforcing strict tribalism and screeching at anyone daring to go beyond the kosher sites. So you end up with stupid shit like devs being shouted at for having a discord server for development.

>>1557 I've seen people making stuff post on the chanz for relevant threads and then just kind of... peter out. The audience isn't there, the expertise isn't there, and generally the interest is barely there.

>>1557 >This is why all the cool indie devs who are actually making good things are active on Twitter and YouTube, or simply post everywhere I'll add that it's kind of offensive to a creative person how possessive imageboard users are of things that are posted on imageboards. For example if you post about your game in one of the /agdg/ threads, people will start treating your game as an "/agdg/ game" and you as an "/agdg/ dev". People will talk about "/agdg/ games" and include your game in it. Small imageboards especially will try to label every creative project with their own name. To my knowledge imageboards are the only place where this happens.

>>1561 I thought that was the point of /agdg/, although that place can occasionally get awfull cliquey.

>>1563 I don't think anyone posts in /agdg/ because they want to "join" it. People go there because it's where people talk about game development. It's not just /agdg/ though, I still sometimes see some people talk about Minecraft and Stardev Valley as if they're "/v/ games" or made by "4chan gamedevs" because the developers posted in 4chan at some point.

>>1564 You do inadvertently join a place by posting there, >>1557 that's funny because it's also okay for some sperglord autist to "take offense" and then you not being offended lol >>1558 I wouldn't DEMAND someone entertain me on a board but we do need tribalism because spaces that aren't growing are shrinking. There's no in between. I'm also pretty shit at posting on the places i genuinely appreciate I'm definitely guilty of that.

>>1588 >but we do need tribalism >because spaces that aren't growing are shrinking Tribalism/gatekeeping directly leads to shrinking of the board, imageboards are no longer as appealing to outsiders as they were in the yearly years of 4chan or 8chan. Also in the old days it came down to mocking retarded normalfags from normalfag websites, but altchans are spiraling into insanity where you are expected to hate another altchan because the local sperg clergy has decreed autism fatwa on them for some inane reason. Eg. the feud between 8ch and webring is the most bizarre shit I've seen on the internet. Plus on a more related note, at least one schizo sperg tried to sabotage /kemono/ bunker move because this site isn't halal enough.

>>1588 >we need to grow >so the answer is to be even more discerning and super careful about who finds this place Just add unwritten rules to the list and you've got yourself a secret club. Hell, even just a few days ago over in /vg/ they wanted to keep the games collection secret to new people in case it gets taken down.

>>1589 >>1592 Gatekeeping isn't necessarily bad, but the people who fixate on it tend to forget that you need a community someone would want to join in the first place. There's also so much focus on keeping people out that the way of letting them in or initiating them is neglected.

>>1589 >Imageboards are no longer as appealing to outsiders as they were in the yearly years of 4chan or 8chan To who? Normies? You are completely wrong because all that trendy now. They've invaded us. Imageboards were always edgy and fucked up before the retard+glowie invasion campaigns especially evident after ALL the good altchans got shut down. Now 4 is a monopoly of dilution and gayness because jannies banned real anons FILTERING and now normies want to larp as edgy and autistic 24/7 because incase you didn't know, it's suddenly "cool" to be an autistic loser conspiracy nerd online FWIW. It's cool to say you have autism. My friends may i remind you again that normie miscreants see all the things we talk(ed) about as third party entertainment to dilute? They don't really care about anything, and they fucked up board culture and now outnumber the organic effortposters with bots. >>1592 >>1593 This board is autistic enough to ward off normies naturally anyway. As long as we keep it autistic we're good.

>>1589 >the feud between 8ch and webring is the most bizarre shit I've seen on the internet No, it isn't. The only people who claim this are 8ch retards who never paid any attention to anything and enjoy Mark's overbearing, childish moderation. It's been like four years since this all happened and I don't know how the entire situation got memory holed so thoroughly. When the original 8chan was melting down, Mark misrepresented and lied about what the webring was to his gaggle of sycophants on 8ch (who, of course, are mostly /v/ users and thus idiots). He did this repeatedly, and even after webring admins (mostly Robi, the ill-fated owner of Julaychan) reached out to him. This made it hard for anons to trust each other in an environment where trust and word of mouth were precious. It certainly damaged the general anon community and I'm sure there are dozens of anons who simply stopped using image boards altogether because they thought everything outside of 8ch was a cynical power grab. Then there's the boards for interracial cuck porn, diaper fetishists, vore, literal pedophiles, and probably another I don't care to remember.

>>1606 >This board is autistic enough to ward off normies naturally anyway. As long as we keep it autistic we're good. This is also a good point. The mainstream furry fandom is so bloated and overbearing that the notion of a subculture within/adjacent to it populated by people who hate furries is probably appealing to a lot of people. All this is to say, if you want to tell people about this place then just go ahead and do it. Don't be a fag and things will probably work out.

>>1610 Didn't mean to sage.

>>1610 > populated by people who hate furries is probably appealing to a lot of people. Say what you like about LGBTQIA+++ size king fursuiters but why people insist they aren't furries is way beyond me. Do you think the legions of people gooning to meowscarada think they ain't furries?

>>1633 >they aren't furries You can enjoy fluffy girls without adding identity mental illness on top of it. I'm not even a native /kemono/ anon and I'm more of a monster girl enjoyer, but even I can immediately spot the difference between people here or on PLW thread and /trash/ furfag threads.

>>1634 I don't think the people you think are everywhere are any more common than the average ultra liberal LGBT supporter that happens to like foxgirls.

>>1592 >/vg/ they wanted to keep the games collection secret to new people in case it gets taken down. The funniest thing about that is that they aren't even the ones maintaining it and the anon from our /mg/ who actually does, said he wanted more people to see and use it. I suspect there are some retarded thread politics involved and takedown fears are just an excuse because the collection links to this imageboard.

Mannuwar check ur mail

>>1727 When cock.li's back up, sure (so hopefully sometime today). I really gotta set up an email client to juggle my accounts instead of just using webmail for everything.

Dear /kemono/, For a good while now, I've known in my gut that I shouldn't be the one running this board. This knowledge started out as a hesitation in accepting ownership from Pioneer, and flowered into a full-on awareness during my first liturgy which has since never left me. Almost daily I asked for St. Christopher's intercession for this place, for wisdom in managing the board, and for a suitable replacement to be provided. What I didn't do was actively seek one out, and this I now realise was a mistake. That said, I don't intend on leaving this place in poor hands if I can help it. Imageboard culture has gone through some rough shit over the last few years, and I'd love more than anything to see you guys thrive and really come into your own. A good board owner should: >Actively protect the board aka not let spammers or obsessive schizos shit up the place. Anons want to feel like their mods have their backs. Both petty tyrants and whiners who blame their anons for everything instead of dealing with retards properly fail this. >Not be satisfied with running an image-dumping board Imagedumps, while they can be nice if your anons have good taste, are inherently downstream of other websites. /animu/'s kemono thread relied on these so heavily that it never fully recovered when most nitter instances died and took their RSS feeds with them. To survive and thrive on an ever-changing internet, you want to cultivate a board with some variety to it, and which makes enough of its own art to be self-sufficient. This is part of why explicit NSFW is currently spoilered, by the way. Being a porn dump would be a cheap way of increasing activity in the short term, but would probably keep the board too focused on porn alone. Spoilering or banning it (I doubt the latter is a good idea for an existing community) forces you to be a bit more creative in the absence of that easy way out, and that creativity could help form this into a truly distinct place if it's leaned into. >Stay firm on fagshit Faggots suck and will abuse any leeway they're given to make the board just like every other generic furfag hellhole on the internet. They're consistently the least interesting part of western furfaggotry and kemono culture. If you care at all about making this a distinctive place and bringing out the potential many anons see in kemono, don't give them an inch. >Doesn't blindly imitate /monster/ >Doesn't turn the board into a front for some chatroom circlejerk >Ideally continues to ask for St. Christopher's guidance and intercession for the board Blah blah blah, you get the picture. I'll probably stick around to drawfag and code, and it isn't as if running the board is remotely stressful (you guys are pretty chill, and as much as a certain someone wants to be the resident bogeyman I mostly just feel bad for him), but for a variety of reasons I really shouldn't be the one in authority over you all. If there's no decent takers and the inactive vol doesn't suddenly show up and promise he'll stick around, I'll probably hand the place off to the Capybarachan admin. Cheers, lads. I wish you all a bright, blessed future with good friends and lovely wives, and will do my best to leave you with a good board owner.

>>1761 In relation to this, here's some suggested reading if you're interested in running the board. >Graeber and Sahlins. "On Kings." >Baghos, Mario. "From the Ancient Near East to Christian Byzantium: Kings, Symbols, and Cities." >Nassim, Nicholas Taleb. "The Black Swan." "Antifragile." >Coomaraswamy, Ananda. "Christian and Oriental Philosophy of Art." >Girard, Rene. "I See Satan Fall Like Lightning." >Chesterton, G.K. "On Gargoyles." >the two-part article on St. Christopher linked at >>1335

>>1762 i'm sorry but what do any of these books have to do with running a board?

>>1761 >>1762 Whoa that's a most unexpected development, given that this board doesn't require much work when it comes to moderating (same as the other boards on our site) >If there's no decent takers and the inactive vol doesn't suddenly show up and promise he'll stick around, I'll probably hand the place off to the Capybarachan admin. Quick note from me as site owner: if nobody steps up now and I'm given the ownership, I will in turn hand it off to the first /kemono/ related person that volunteers with no added conditions, aside from standard willingness to take responsibility and put some effort. I don't want to take over a community and that wasn't my intention when I offered /kemono/ a bunker board.

>>1764 If you're going to run a board in these troubled times, having some idea of what kingship is (beyond the usual pop culture conceptions) and how citystates were established won't hurt. In that light, you can probably guess why The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable and Antifragile: Things That Gain From Disorder are included (I should have given their full titles, kek). Less obvious from its title is Christian and Oriental Philosophy of Art. That one is a collection of essays on pre-modern anon art traditions and their broader, more cohesive conception of what art and the artist are. There's a weird amount of stuff in it that feels familiar if you've shitposted on imageboards for long enough, and if you've ever noticed that weird tension imageboards have between drawfags who sit in drawthreads all day and regular anons, this'll give some pointers on why that is and how to heal it moving forwards. Finally, the Rene Girard book is mostly relevant to the subject of board bogeymen from a broader anthropological and mythological perspective, while the essay On Gargoyles and the two-parter on St. Christopher are more relevant to /kemono/ specifically. I would have liked to have included something on guilds, as my gut tells me they could have helped very specific kinds of generals like /agdg/, but I sadly haven't done enough research on them to recommend a specific book on the subject. Is all of this necesssary reading? No, obviously. It's mostly just there for pointers on how imageboard culture could adapt to and survive the ridiculous amounts of shit it's gone through lately. We need to think a bit outside the contemporary box if we're gonna make it, and as the postmodern west and web devour themselves, we may find that some old ideas suddenly have a place again. >>1765 Yeah, it isn't that running /kemono/ is too much work, or that I'm not prepared for the task or have a lack of confidence (if the spergetry above is any indication, I may have too much). It really is a matter of knowing deep down that I'm not the one who should be running /kemono/, and that the best thing I could do for it as a board owner is entrusting it to the right man.

>>1766 >It really is a matter of knowing deep down that I'm not the one who should be running /kemono/, and that the best thing I could do for it as a board owner is entrusting it to the right man. You've been a really solid BO for as long as this place has been here. What made you change your mind so suddenly?

>>1765 I'll volunteer to take it over. As a proof of trust and token of appreciation the last bo can be vol if he wants anytime, if he changes his mind sometime that's fine too. Send me an email at [email protected]

>>1785 What are your qualifications?

>>1786 I love kemono art and the policy of the board. I come here almost every day so might as well. without you turning this into a job application I’ve grown communities before with my moderation principles and activity. And try to keep a few going still albeit unrelated to this fandom, which is very dear to my heart. Beyond that the free offer of my spare time is enough and my terms are more than fair. Now the ball is in your court.

>>1790 I'm not Mannuwar, I just wanted to know what your qualifications were since I'd never heard of cyberfear.com before.

>>1785 >>1790 Ay, sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I was extremely busy with IRL stuff over the last few weeks and ended up putting it off for way too long, but things have finally slowed down enough to devote some real attention to this. So, for starters, would you mind going into your moderation principles a bit? I'd ask about your (implied) past janny experience as well, but if you'd prefer going over that via email, that's fine by me.