>>3372 well fuck, the file didn't seem to get uploaded, let's use catbox https://files.catbox.moe/r37ngm.timeline you can also open the file in a text editor and just "ctrl+f" to see if something has been already added.

>>3372 That's some impressive autism, really. You could add Liru to the list, her manga was named "Renkin San-kyuu Magical? Pokaan" I believe and the game "Wolf girl with you" was highly anticipated around the internet even outside of the monster girl fan circles

>>3372 Impressive work. I'd definitely add Succubus Quest in there, which both made the battle fuck genre popular and had plenty of monster girls despite its name. Eushully had some monster girls in a couple of their games. Himegari Dungeon Meister had an Imp as the main heroine and you could capture and rape a couple of monster girls and add them to their ranks while Kamidori had an elf girl as one of the main routes and most of the side characters were monster girls. Vanadis released a bunch of short VNs with different monster girls heroines before MGQ. Spice and Wolf is a novel about a wolf goddess that got anime and manga adaptations plus a sequel. Kobayashi's Dragon Maid is/was a huge success even among normalfags. Jashin-chan Dropkick features a lamia as one of the protagonists and a couple of other monster girl side-characters, got 2 anime seasons.

>>3379 >got 2 anime seasons. 3 actually, and fourth on the way. It's a funny slapstick though, and yeah, it's kinda related to monster girls. Lamia, vampires, minotaur, demons and angels, if we count them as "monster" (there is Angel thread). >>3372 Very nice work. Would add "Actually, I am..." about vampire girl.

>>3378 >>3389 That's why help is useful, even though I knew about the golden wolf girl and jashin chan, I wasn't reminded of them when adding new things to the timeline. Will add them >>3379 >all those games will look into them, I like that they're pretty old >spice and wolf it'll go in the "does it even count" category >meidoragon for some reason I don't wanna add it, but I guess it is kinda relevant >jitsu wa watashi wa already in

>>3390 added Jashin, Minos' beef 100%, Spice & Wolf, San-kyuu Magical(...), Maidragon, Kitsune Spirit, Kitsune wife didn't add Succubus Quest because I couldn't find a specific release date. 2006 is too vague, I need at least a month Only things about it that I found were these 2 http://succubi.com/wiki/Succubus_Quest https://forum.fenoxo.com/threads/succubus-quest.3825/ newest file https://files.catbox.moe/t1c23z.timeline Also, in the future please add some links to sites like MAL or MangaUpdates or alike where I can see precise dates, that'd make my job a LOT faster

>stupid manga about cow girl eating beef >they add specific stuff about where each type of beef comes from and what makes it special the Japs, I swear... never change

>>3390 Why does spice and wolf go under the "does it even count" category? Holo's a wolf girl goddess and it's considered a romance.

>>3420 >didn't add Succubus Quest because I couldn't find a specific release date. 2006 is too vague, I need at least a month https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ026617.html it says there it was released on Sep/21/2006

>>3422 only one monster girl, her "monster parts" are only tail and ears which is easy-cosplay-tier and there's not a lot of focus on her nature as a monster (at least from what I remember). For something to be truly in the genre, it has to have monster girls that are significantly different from humans and those biological and anatomical differences matter for the story or character. Being lewd af also helps. Basically being similar in feel to MonMusu, MGE or MGQ (or Centaur's Worries). By such definition the 2 fox wife manga also probably shouldn't count, but at least the "Fox Spirit" one has a closer feel to core monster girl works. That said, I'm considering making 3 categories and changing which manga belongs to which: >core those that most closely fit the above description >light spice and wolf, senko san, and alike. If it has just a single mongirl, and is very light on anatomy/biology then it goes there. >barely counts self explanatory. All elf bullshit would probably go there. (If I decide to add it) Speaking of elf bullshit that reminded me of Otaku Elf, maybe I'll add that too, just watched it recently and it was really nice. Anyway, if you have suggestions for category changes you can also say them. >>3424 thanks for the contribution fellow scholar

>>3425 I'm not a fan of such stratification because it leads to pains down the road and MGQ treated them equally, but it's your project. I suggest you keep it simple and only have one "monster girls lite" class for both kemonomimi and elves. and also I saw your posts on /monster/, you should just link them your catbox updates normally because referring them to here for downloads might be taken as cross-board shilling and something bad might happen

>>3428 >I'm not a fan of such stratification because it leads to pains down the road and MGQ treated them equally that bit about MGQ doesn't make sense to me, it's a game, not an overview of other mongirl works. Those categories also help because they can be toggled on and off, which makes browsing easier. Also that software didn't predict someone with my calibre of autism so too many periods eventually just don't fit on screen anymore, so that's another reason why being able to toggle categories is useful. >spoiler cross board shilling is precisely the point, a little competition won't hurt them. And I find some of their puritan autism over the board and annoying. (as in, annoying enough where it hurts discussing things normally) If they don't want advertising other board (in a single thread) they can just say it. I don't think I'll get banned without any warning first.

As kind of a side note for MGQ fans, I was surprised to see how long some of the artists who worked on the games have been around drawing monster girls. UN_DO has drawings dating back to at least 2004, Nekomanma has some of the earliest works under the monster girl tag on pixiv, Naglfar drew for some of the first couple of works under the tag on dlsite, not to mention KC. Wouldn't be surprised if I missed a couple more, shame so many older blogs died without getting archived.

>>3720 Yeah, it's one of the reasons I consider MGQ to be one of the major turning points for the genre, it's kind of a summary and includes so much things. My favorite artist is frfr and he's been drawing since at least 2009, maybe even longer but he nuked his old accounts at one point so it might be difficult to track his first works. Here's a proto Alma Elma from 2009 Also Jingai Modoki has been drawing since at least 2007

>>3428 The problem with is that you get outliers like the fat elf manga >lots of monster girls >middling amount of cosplay tier >clearly a fat fetish thing You also have the t rex girlfriend manga that hits most of the same boxes. At that stage you reach the point where the full purists would say it doesn't count as monster girls because a succubus didn't turn them all into lust demons who really want cock. They're certainly not light on the monster girls, they're just not porn. Then those same people will go onto say that monster musume isn't monster girls because it has cuckshit and monster boys, which just makes them look batshit crazy. And let's be fair nobody outside a select few really care about the exact mechanics of why monster girls exist so the categories to me are more like >monster girl focused with harems and lewd musume, most of the porn games >monster girl focused romance spice and wolf, a bunch of games that are just about a single character >has lots of monster girl shield hero, I guess? >focused on a single monster girl senko >has monster girls in the background most isekai trash There is some overlap like senko being domestic life in all but name but that's a nitpick.

>>3732 let me repeat that one of the major reasons for the existence of those categories is to circumvent the limitations of the software. While I appreciate the autism, it's gonna be 2-3 categories, not more because they're really not that important. They only serve a real purpose pre 2012, so before the genre properly started. Categories of everything after that are less important. >outliers like the fat elf light or core. I really don't see much issue with it. More likely "light" but it really doesn't matter much. T-rex is definitely "light" since it focuses on only dinosaur girls and never goes beyond some really basic anatomical things (and usually has nothing). >you reach the point where the full purists would say it doesn't count as monster girls because a succubus didn't turn them all into lust demons who really want cock. >Then those same people will go onto say that monster musume isn't monster girls because it has cuckshit and monster boys, which just makes them look batshit crazy I dunno man, touch grass or something, I find it extremely hard to believe there's non-trolls that would say MonMusu isn't monster girls. And for the record: monster boys/men and furfags have been close or part of the genre since day zero, so it's only MGE purists/fanatics/zealots that are butthurt about them (and even that has Alps and at least 2 furries). >>3720 >>3721 wow, that's a thread I didn't think about following. Will look into it. If you could in the meanwhile also find links to some early posts that'd be wonderful. Thanks for input.

>>3740 > I find it extremely hard to believe there's non-trolls that would say MonMusu isn't monster girls. Yeah, that's what I meant. I thought you wanted to categorize everything is cleanly as they do because there really is a thread of people through the genre that think it's not monster girls unless a DL made them all cock hungry and only humans exist to slake that lust. It's not even mge purists a lot of people think if it isn't a porn setting with succubi it's isekai trash at best. if you don't it doesn't really matter and from an outsider perspective there is no way anyone watching monmosu gave a fuck that male monsters existed. I've spent too long on /jp/, it's really fucked with my head about this stuff. I miss when I just thought foxes and catgirls were cute and searched pornhub for them. Innocent times.

>>3741 nah, these categories are more like tools here, rather than some very important part. The important part is the dates and durations. I'm thinking of writing a book about it, smth like "The history and essence of the monster girl genre". I even got a few words down, but then I started researching ancient harpies and being overwhelmed by the fact that I'd have to do the same for lamias and centaurs. Not terribly important, but I thought I wanted my book to at least mention some of the oldest depictions of these 3 monsters. I feel like once I get that down, the rest would flow much easier. Then again, I also wanted to get some input from the actual creators and that'd require learning a higher level of Japanese (even with a translator). Not to mention also somehow convincing those god-otaku to tell me anything. And I feel like if I do that they'd drop some info-dumps on me that'd warrant rewriting the whole book from scratch. Would be neat if I managed to write and publish that book by the end of this decade. I wanna be the Scott McCloud of monster girls. >I've spent too long on /jp/, it's really fucked with my head about this stuff. I miss when I just thought foxes and catgirls were cute and searched pornhub for them. Innocent times. that sounds like a great anti-advert for /jp/

>>3740 >If you could in the meanwhile also find links to some early posts that'd be wonderful. Thanks for input. I just went straight to the oldest posts I could find on some of the most well known sites lol. For example, filtering results from pixiv to posts before 2008 nets only 2 pages. https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/モンスター娘/artworks?scd=2007-09-14&ecd=2008-01-01 Same thing for DLsite. https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/fsr/=/language/jp/sex_category[0]/male/order/release/genre[0]/317 While I'm sure that tag must be a more recent addition and some other older works were never tagged, it was good enough for me to recognize some of the artists from their cover images, and from there I just tried looking into them. I wasn't really thorough and look into some of the other tags such as kemonomimi and interspecies sex which might have more results. One of the most interesting finds was this site https://monster-girl.homelinux.net/ Besides UN_DO (supposedly) being the artist of art Nº 165 (dated March 27 2004), it's cool to see for just how long this community has been around and how far it's gotten.

>>3746 >One of the most interesting finds was this site https://monster-girl.homelinux.net/ >some jap made a site 20 years ago to upload mongirl pics >which is somehow still running >and now I can use it for my own monster girl archive project truly, we're standing on the shoulders of giants only issue is its hard to determine how legitimate those dates are, but it still looks like an amazing resource. thanks a lot for that and other links and ideas

>>3372 Seto no Hanayome (My Bride is a Mermaid) was 2002-2008 and the anime was in 2007.

>>4526 already in, added it couple months ago I think

bump

a small list of works that heavily influenced the monster girl genre if they don't belong to it. >Darkstalkers (1994): Morrigan is the main reason for Japan's obsession with succubi and I'm pretty sure you can call hers and Felicia's designs very iconic. >Shinrabanshou (2005): Definitely infuenced KC to some extent. >Dragon Half (1988): Heavily influenced later dragon girls' designs.

>>7146 thanks for the comment >Darkstalkers (1994) Already in, Felicia and Morrigan are truly grandmommies of modern monster girl designs. Especially Felicia. >Dragon Half (1988) Also already in. >Shinrabanshou (2005) And that I didn't hear about, will look into it later. If you have any good links to it, share them.

>>7149 I don't have any links to it. This is my observation: The design for MGE's demons, element's of which have later been used for the design of other monster girls from MGE, looks a lot like Shinrabanshou's Astaroth (blue skin, black sclera, mostly black wings and horns, heart-shaped earrings and very similar outfits). Btw, what is that rabbit saying?

>>7151 MGE has never been very original

>>7151 I can see the similarities. Earliest drawing I could find is this from 2005.08.25 on danbooru (source link is dead), maybe I'll add it as some trivia bonus thing. https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8739?q=astaroth_%28shinrabanshou%29+ >Btw, what is that rabbit saying? Taihen Yoku Dekimashita, or, "Very well done". A phrase/stamp teachers in Japan use to praise students. >>7158 I don't see the point of this comment. The premise of the books is to translate classic monster designs into waifus and build a setting around them. Using and building on already existing designs is how art evolves and goes forward. Probably also influenced a lot by Dictionnaire Infernal from 1863, at least in form. >shantae not sure if you meant to include her, but I already added her games to the list. At least the early ones have some significance, as they let you play as a harpy or whatnot.

Is Killing Bites on the timeline? I can't really check myself because my device doesn't support the timeline program. It's basically a manga where human-animal hybrids fight each other for sport, often to death. According to several sources the manga began publishing on Nov 30, 2013 and the anime aired between Jan 13, 2018 and Mar 31, 2018.

>>7246 I'm not sure, I may have missed it. Will look into it and add it if its not there already.

Could add Z-ton as a highlighted artist, did some of the earliest and most popular monster girl doujins, worked as the illustrator on the Monster Girl Doctor LNs and still provides some designs for monster plastic models.