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Monstergirl Mythology/Origins Thread Anonymous 12/12/2025 (Fri) 22:43:14 No. 61039
Have you ever asked yourself: Where did the name 'manticore' come from? What does 'cheshire' mean? How do I play Uno on my Xbox? Now you can ask other anons or just talk about your waifu('s origins)! No surprise that most MGE monsters are derivative of other works. That said, the sources can vary greatly from mythology to classic literature to even contemporary fantasy/science fiction. MGE takes a rather narrow lens to monsters with sometimes interesting or complicated origins, which are then filtered through Japanese pop culture (ex. dog kobolds). For anons who want to learn a little more about where (or when) their waifus come from, I made this thread. Any anon can add to this thread with info, book/media recommendations, or requests about a specific monster. >Doesn't everybody already know this stuff? Maybe. But probably not. Besides, it's an excuse to nerd out. I'll start by noting some general trends on sources: >D&D monsters Monsters inspired by oldschool Dungeons and Dragons, or Japanese things that "borrowed" from it like Dragon Quest and Record of Lodoss War. Some of these have clear European/African/Asian mythological origin but a surprising number of them are made up. Lich, mind flayer, gazer, and kobold are all examples. >Mythology monsters (foreign) Mythology monsters, gods, or spirits from around the world, often a pop culture version of them. This is by far the biggest group but also very chaotic as it contains gods and house spirits side-by-side. Anubis, Khepri and Apophis (Egypt); Bunyip (Australia); Wendigo (North America) are examples. >Mythology monsters (Japanese) I separate these because there are a lot more of them and they're also a lot more faithful to the myths. They have home-field advantage. KC writes their names in katakana instead of proper kanji (ushi oni is ウシオニ not 牛鬼). This group includes yuki-onna, kitsune, tengu, and oni. >Literature monsters Creatures more-or-less entirely made up in famous works of literature. Lewis Carroll, H.P. Lovecraft, J.R.R. Tolkein. You've probably heard these names. There's definitely some overlap with the above categories but because they have their own names/symbolism they're easy to identify. Cheshire Cat, Mad Hatter, Dormouse, and Jabberwock (Alice in Wonderland), Shoggoth (At the Mountains of Madness), Balrog (Lord of the Rings) are examples. >Anthropomorphisms Human-shaped animals/plants! Often moe, some include KC's earliest designs. I don't know who first had the idea of "I'll draw a half-sexy lady, half-bee" but they're a pretty distinct group because they're not any of the above. Includes jinko, giant ant, flow kelp, and mershark. >Undeterminable origin This isn't really a group but I put this here because some designs are so widespread it's hard to say where exactly it comes from. Others seem to be KC's original designs. Some of them may just be a very specific enemy from a JRPG. Who made the first big green ogre? Which one did KC see when he made the profile? Does it even matter? I'd put hellhound, angel, witch, and bicorn here.
>>61039 Damn. Didn't expect you to do this quickly. I'm not much of a literature buff myself, but maybe it would be a good idea to get some sources here. I specifically love this website for simple and straight forward japanese mythology explanation. It's not very in depth, but it gets to the point, and it's a good first basis. https://yokai.com/ Will the thread contain more monstergirls other than MGE stuff?
>>61045 Ah yeah, I ran across that website a while ago. It seems at first glance to be an unusually good website, without feeling like literally translated Japanese. >Other than MGE Of course. It's a big world out there.
>>61039 >hellhound Probably a mash-up of various depictions, but the fire in eyes might come from description of the titular "Hound of the Baskervilles". >Bunyip I wonder about that one because there's various contradicting descriptions of the creature, so how much outside inspiration was there to make her a fluffy lamia.
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>>61039 I'm curious about the origins of the common Slime. A classic JRPG enemy to be sure, does it originate in D&D? How did it come about there?
>>61101 the slime pipeline was probably D&D->dragon quest->slimegirls, because classic edition D&D (LBB/0-1e both basic and advanced) slimes are absurdly deadly and difficult to kill, and the classic japanese fantasy slime is a level 1 idiot. for all the times D&D just used the name of something from folklore and imported it, japan did the same in that era from D&D. going from the nightmare that is a black pudding to the dopey smiling blue turd from dragon quest is a long leap here's their 0e/LBB ecology entries and descriptions. stat blocks are on a different page because usable layouts weren't invented yet. they're essentially just denizens of dungeons that eat leftover viscera, dust, waste products, etc. also just Everything. referred to here as the "cleanup crew" which is pretty cute. they mostly appear when restocking cleared areas of dungeons (drawn by carrion). I don't believe they have any folkloric origins
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>>61106 forgot the image. classic
>>61101 As >>61106 said, the "blue idiot" slime comes from the original 1986 Dragon Quest. It was designed by Akira Toriyama, the author of Dragon Ball. The origin of the 'slime monster' in a more dangerous form is definitely D&D. Dragon Quest creator Yuji Horii cites a 1981 Wizardy enemy as the basis for the design. Wizardry along with Ultima is one of the early D&D video games. The D&D creature is the origin of the name 'slime' and its general appearance/behavior. The idea of an amorphous semi-sentient entity appeared earlier in the notoriously bad 1951 film The Blob as well as the Shoggoth in Lovecraft's 1930 Mountains of Madness. Gygax & Arneson saw one or both of these and decided to make a family of more reasonable dungeon slimes. Old school D&D was big into ecological realism so they serve as dungeon scavengers and "cleanup crews." You could make the argument that the Shoggoth is the primordial slime. The more you know.
>>61113 So we have H.P. Lovecraft to thank for it all! He's the gift that just keps on giving >>61107 Somehow calling it "pudding" just sounds hilarious to me
>>61128 >Somehow calling it "pudding" just sounds hilarious to me Various Final Fantasy games had slime variants called Flan, so there's that too.
The last MGE entries, Abaddon and Abaddon Folk, are unsurprisingly inspired by the Bible.Specifically by a horde of armored, horse-sized locusts with scorpion stingers and crowned heads described in the Book of Revelations. They're associated with the name Abaddon ("Destruction\Destroyer" or "Place of Ruin") that depending on the specific translation is either an angel given power over the abyss and command of the demon locusts, or the abyss these locusts will emerge from during the Apocalypse. Their cousin, the Beelzebub, has a similar origin: Ba'al Zebub, "Lord of the Flies", is an ancient philistine deity briefly mentioned in the Bible, that later Christian texts turned into a lord of hell.
>Undeterminable origin >hellhound, angel, witch, and bicorn Hellhounds are greek inspired, angels are (obviously) from christian mythology, witch's are based off of european folklore, not sure what mythology unicorns are from.
>>61256 Belief in witchcraft is found in all cultures throughout history, it's one of those primordial things.
>>61257 The reason I say the witch is european inspired is because of her clothes looking like they're from the european middle ages, she even has a pointy hat, which I don't think any other witch from other folklore have. kenkou seems to always make his witch characters europe inspired (probably because their wardrobe is cooler). >tempted by Baphomet with eternal youth and power This pretty much confirms it, Baphomet (european demon) is probably a stand-in for the devil, and european witches were associated with devil worship (and thus why the witch hunts were allowed in a christian dominated europe) and formed pacts with the devil for power.
>>61263 The Dark Mage and the Witch embody the two main witch archetypes. The Sabbath Witch is the satanic witch: the one who makes deals with demons, who is forever young, and who is a part of a cult with sinister purposes in mind. The Dark Mage is the more traditional witch: the hag, the swamp witch, the kind who dwells on the periphery and who provides secret knowledge in exchange for fulfilling her desires. Fascinating stuff.
>>61312 Kenkou does seem to brew up the most interesting concoctions
>>61039 >First big green Ogre The Ogre in MGE is just your bog standard Oni, whereas the Ao and Aka Oni are both references to Naita Aka Oni or the story of Momotaro, and are a common pairing in Japanese folklore. >Hellhound Hounds as the guardians of the Underworld go as far back as the Greeks and Romans with Cerberus as the hound of Hades/Pluto, or Garmr from Germanic folklore. The specific design in MGE is influenced ( at least IMO ) by the British Barghest, Black Shuck, and even the Bayeux hound. >Angels So, Angels obviously come from Judeo-Christian origins but up until cultural osmosis during post-Hellenistic Greece and even the Renaissance they were never depicted entirely as just humans with wings. They used to have more esoteric forms like the Byzantine Cherubim or looked like normal people. It wasn't until the ministry of the Apostle Paul and later that they would become associated with figures like the Goddess of Victory, Nike or Eros Aphroditus, the God of Erotic Love. Both of whom embodied the beauty of the human form and more times than not had wings. Coincidentally, Valkyrie being depicted with wings is also a cultural whitewashing of them after Christianity spread to pagan Scandinavia. >Bicorn Literally popularized by Chaucer after he got word of them from the French. They were a satirical commentary about sexuality in France, and later spread around Europe, to show that to have a good wife meant you had one as rare as a Unicorn. Ironically, it didn't really start getting depicted as a goat or dual horned Unicorn type creature until games like Megami Tensei popularized the image. Before hand it was just simply a fatass creature not dissimilar to a hippopotamus.
The Youtube algorithm decided I needed to learn about Ghouls today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdljTiX4aNk
>>61317 I think the Ogre is definitely based in the european kind of ogre/bridge-troll/giant/etc fairy tales and mythology.
>>61351 I referred to her as an Oni because Ogres didn’t traditionally has green skin until *really* late. We’re talking Greyhawk and Warhammer era. Usually they were either just giants or brutish creatures with earth toned skin. Trolls are also Scandinavian in origin and KC’s version definitely harkens back to that.


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